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I have just been made aware by TripleHelix that the Webroot Gamer Version consists of the AV plus the System Optimizer and nothing else: the perfect combination imho to recommend to my friends, both gamers and non-gamers (I won't go into the details of why).
 
However, I have a question. It has been pointed out, for example in a couple of the end-posts in this thread, that optimisation is neither necessary  nor desirable (because it shortens SSD disk life) if your computer uses an SSD disk (mine don't currently). My question is: whilst I've never felt the need to do privacy cleanups on my own computers and so the issue doesn't arise for me, for my friends are there any System Optimizer options relating to privacy, such as erasing cookies, erasing internet history* that would mean System Optimizer might still be a useful option even on a computer with SSD disk?
 
Thanks for any comments or responses to this question.
 
*How does one do this with Firefox or Chrome? Would that be the FF and Chrome "Cached Files" options in the Advanced SettingsSystem Optimizer options?
 
EDIT: The correct answer was given by TripleHelix in the very next post (below).  However, confusion arose in my mind due to apparent conflicting advice that led to protracted exchanges and which was finally resolved here. Out of all this came some very helpful advice, mainly from TripleHelix, about the nature of and the proper maintenance of SSDs.
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Best answer by RetiredTripleHelix 1 April 2016, 14:05

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I know 😉
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Ye sir ree Never will go back to HDD. It's SSD's  for me all the way! Thanks to your helping... I understand alot more too.
 
I never thought a system could go so fast!:D
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OK. Perfect! The source of confusion has been resolved (thanks for the clarification, @) and now I will bookmark this thread so I can come back to it to read again and carefully digest the day I decide to upgrade to an SSD.
Once you go SSD you will never go back to HDD just ask Sherry! @ 😃 Zoom, Zoom!
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OK. Perfect! The source of confusion has been resolved (thanks for the clarification, ?) and now I will bookmark this thread so I can come back to it to read again and carefully digest the day I decide to upgrade to an SSD.
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@ wrote:
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...using WSA's System Optimizer (Cleaner) and CCleaner.
 
Daniel ;)

To speed up the disk? Or just to save space?
@ see my edit in red!
 
Well for both but I always find it fast as all 5 of my Samsung SSD's have a built in Garbage remover! As to using the cleaners in WSA and CCleaner well that's to get space back as you know Windows keeps allot of unneeded files and needs to be cleaned up.
 

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TripleHelix wrote
...using WSA's System Optimizer (Cleaner) and CCleaner.
 
Daniel ;)

To speed up the disk? Or just to save space?
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Here's another good video to show how important TRIM is set correctly!
 
 
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Thank you @. I just happened to be looking again at this thread when I saw your answer pop up!
 
So in fact it was just a matter of an inadvertent mischoice of words!! That led me to question what was the right advice, given that Daniel was saying one thing and you apparently another. Now I know that my choice to recommend the Gamer Version of Webroot to my friends (see the very first post of this thread) still remains valid with those of my friends that use an SSD disk.
 
Thanks!
 
I have just one more question, and this I ask to Daniel. i've been led to believe that System Optimisation does little to speed up an SSD. I understood that it remains pretty much as speedy however cluttered it gets. I assume, from the fact that you apparently optimise your SSD regularly, that this is mistaken? Or do you do it more to save space?
Really I let Windows 10 take care of them and once or twice a month I will do a Manual TRIM clean up after using WSA's System Optimizer (Cleaner) and CCleaner.
 
Daniel 😉
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And yes, Daniel, it's much clearer now. It was the apparent conflict of advice that was confusing me.
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Thank you ?. I just happened to be looking again at this thread when I saw your answer pop up!
 
So in fact it was just a matter of an inadvertent mischoice of words!! That led me to question what was the right advice, given that Daniel was saying one thing and you apparently another. Now I know that my choice to recommend the Gamer Version of Webroot to my friends (see the very first post of this thread) still remains valid with those of my friends that use an SSD disk.
 
Thanks!
 
I have just one more question, and this I ask to Daniel. i've been led to believe that System Optimisation does little to speed up an SSD. I understood that it remains pretty much as speedy however cluttered it gets. I assume, from the fact that you apparently optimise your SSD regularly, that this is mistaken? Or do you do it more to save space?
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Thanks James as Muddy7 said I tried my best in this thread and via PM's and I hope he can understand!
 
Cheers,
 
Daniel 😉
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Sorry for the delay! Incredibly busy today!

There is not a whole lot that I can add to this thread, ?. I think you all have gone above and beyond in explaining just about everything there is with SSDs.
 
I guess I could clarify that instead of optimization perhaps defragmentation was a better choice of words. There is no need to do this on an SSD.
 
As long as you’re using Windows 7 or 8, your operating system is already sending all the TRIM commands your SSD needs. I'm not %100 sure about the functionality of this with Windows 10 because I personally have not used it, nor will I be using it any time soon.
 
As far as consolidating for free space. Most of the drives are already doing this with the firmware they have. 
 
I can't really comment on whether or not its bad to "defrag" the drive as I've heard and read both sides of the story and don't really have any input on it at this time.
 
Hope that helps!

As a side note, I am currently using http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/memory-storage/MZ-75E2T0B/AM? and have been quite pleased with it. Though I'm going to likely pick up the 850 in the next few months.
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I was referring to @'s comment. I know I don't understand SSD's and I would never claim I do lol!!
 @ can you please add your comments for @
 
About this comment: https://community.webroot.com/t5/Ideas-Exchange/idea-for-power-users-SSD-Optimizer/idi-p/70207#.UreKFtJDvdE
 
Thanks,
 
Daniel 😉
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Muchas gracias, Maestro...some light bedtime reading matter, eh? ;)
Oui!
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Muchas gracias, Maestro...some light bedtime reading matter, eh? ;)
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Also here is for the 850 EVO: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/ssd850evo/specifications.html
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Interesting...thanks, Daniel, I will have to take a good look at that article. ;)
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Then TRIM is active but I don't have details when it runs it's clean up routine also Samsung Drives and all newer ones have self cleaning built in the the drive as well. http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/ssd850pro/specifications.html
 
Daniel ;)
 
 
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Indeedy doody! ;)
 

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AHCI mode from the BIOS: https://www.google.ca/search?q=ahci+mode+youtube&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=usP-VunIJMmHjwTp8ZGYDQ#q=ahci+mode+bios
 
 
Sorry, Daniel, I don't follow what you are alluding to re. this. WOuld yo ube able to clarify as I must be missing something important here. 

 
Cheers, Baldrick
Your system came with an HDD did you change in the BIOS from SATA to AHCI when you installed the SSD?
 
This is from 2012 but all newer have AHCI mode in the BIOS.
 
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/314467-30-bios-setting-ahci-mode
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AHCI mode from the BIOS: https://www.google.ca/search?q=ahci+mode+youtube&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=usP-VunIJMmHjwTp8ZGYDQ#q=ahci+mode+bios
 
 
Sorry, Daniel, I don't follow what you are alluding to re. this. WOuld yo ube able to clarify as I must be missing something important here. 

 
Cheers, Baldrick
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HDS is actually a very good piece of software and provides comprehensive information about ones drives...by far the best that I have found, and from the testing I did both before and after replacing the Marvell controller driver, the drive certainly seemed more performant after when compared to before.
 
But I suppose it is a case of you pays your monies and you take your chances...eh? ;)
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AHCI mode from the BIOS: https://www.google.ca/search?q=ahci+mode+youtube&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=usP-VunIJMmHjwTp8ZGYDQ#q=ahci+mode+bios
 
 
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Well IMO I wouldn't use it persoanally and all you have to do is the TRIM check Command to make sure it's on and it must be running on AHCI mode in the BIOS. Tweek-SSD doesn't run all the time only when you open it.
 
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Certainly, Daniel
 
Have been a long time user of HD Sentinel, and when I move over to using an SSD (Samsung EVO 850 500GB) I was delighted to that HDS handles SSDs. However, when checking the diagnostics/status of my drives I noted, in relation to the SSD, that HDS was showing...for the SSD...the following diagnosis:

The status of the solid state disk is PERFECT. Problematic or weak sectors were not found. 
The TRIM feature of the SSD is supported but disabled. It is recommended to upgrade the operating system, the disk controller or its driver to improve performance.

And giving the drive a performance rating of 80%.  Now I can categorically say that the drive was running at SATA 3 and AHCI was enabled for that drive.  And finally opening a Command Prompt with Administrative privileges (Run as administrator) and entering the following command:
    
    fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify

I got a result = '0' which as I understood to mean that TRIM was enabled for the drive.

So I questioned the developer (who responded very quickly indeed) and he advised as follows:
 
1. Confirm that currently over 1700+ SSD models are supported by Hard Disk Sentinel. 2.  Confirm that there is no bug / misinterpretation Hard Disk Sentinel and advised (taken under advisement ;)) that it the ONLY software which can properly detect and represent the TRIM status. 3. Asked me to check www.hdsentinel.com/faq.php#trim for the details, it describes exactly this situation and shows how fsutil can't be used to determine if TRIM is really active. Apparently, a result = 0 means that Windows uses the TRIM command in general - for all drives. But it shows nothing about if the TRIM command actually "reaches" the SSD or not. Apparently, fsutil always show 0 (unless you manually disable it in Windows) even if there is no SSD in the system. So simply checking that result, we can't say anything about any of the drives. 4. He latched on to the fact that  I was running as the current controller driver, a Marvell SATA 6G controller?, and that I should change it to the Standard AHCI controller, and as a result then TRIM would work properly for my SSD. I followed the advice provided by the link in 3. above et voila...TRIM working correctly again...as far as I know. But to date I have yet to find anyone else to corroborate...but then again, the guy makes his living designing, producing & selling drive maintenance software. Hope that helps? Regards, Baldrick 
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