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Preferred backup software and why?


Martin.1
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We read a lot on Cyber Security, we spend a lot of time and effort into the Cyber Security strategies and best practices etc. As much as I enjoy all of that, for me there is almost one “leg” missing in all of this, the emphasis on having a decent and proper BaaS and DRaaS in place. 

 

Everyone knows, or should know, that data is the single most important asset that any company possess. Accidental deletion, malicious actors, natural disasters, system and hardware failures, is ALWAYS a WHEN it will happen, never an IF it will happen. 

 

Also, just a note here (before @TylerM  ban my post) I have done a lot of research into Carbonite range of products, and am currently waiting for someone to reach out to me to activate a trial on the software so that I can have a look at it and see how it work in real life, and how we can adopt it into our systems and to our customers. ( so this is my #disclaimer as to why I will not mention it below YET) 

 

In our company, we have really looked at a lot of different products, and specializing in the SME market, we have as an organization, basically “standardized” our backup software into 3 products at the moment. 

 

Our standard protection plans are as follows:

  1. Onsite backups to a NAS device, with encryption on it..
  2. Offsite backups to external drives which is rotated daily. I always recommend to have 5 drives as best practice, Monday to Friday. Auto eject scripts run once the job complete to remove the drive from access. All jobs are encrypted, and an email is send upon completion of the backup job to the Customer to remember to rotate the backup drive.
  3. Cloud backups on data level (files, sql data etc. ) running every 2 hours, where customer internet speeds permit, we run it every hour.
  4. All local Laptops and PCs that have any business critical data on is backed up directly to the cloud. 

More and more of our customers is starting to opt for the DRaaS options, and in such cases, we would back up the entire server to the cloud storage platform, and have a recovery server enabled so that WHEN it is required, we can simply start the DR Server up in the cloud, and provide the customer with a fully cloud ready DR Solution. In these cases, we will have the offsite backups push directly to the cloud in stead of the set of external drives.

 

We still have certain customers that do purchase their own hardware for the DR Side, and in those cases, we will have the local replications between the hosts in place every hour. In these events we will apply a “hybrid” solution as best practice, as the current product we use as our preferred backup product does not do local replications. 

 

On the O365 / M365 we currently use a provider that allows us to back up all mailboxes, contacts, calendars, Teams as well as SharePoint sites daily to their cloud storage platform. 

 

I am not sure if on this platform we are allowed to mention the 3 software providers we use, but it will be very interesting to find out in this community what and how you do your data protection strategy across your customer base, and within your organization. 

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Jamesharris85
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Historically I have always been a fan of Datto. The seamless onsite / offsite backup and restore as well as booting up a backed-up server as a VM in the cloud have saved our bacon numerous times in the past. It also helps that the interface is easy to use, and the support isn't bad either (although it used to be much better).

My current company favours Altaro but like you, following my training on the Luminaries platform with Carbonite, I am keen to get a trial going and see what the fuss is all about. Unfortunately, I am currently based onsite covering for 2 of my team who have been struck with Covid and won’t get much of a chance until next week at the earliest I imagine. 


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Forgot to mention we use SkyKick for 365 backups as well. 


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I’m old school. Been using Retrospect for decades because it covers Mac and Windows (and Linux) from the same backup server. Storage is kept off line and the server had a LAN limited firewall  setup as well. I gave up remote monitoring, but have an SSH terminal that gives me status. So far, it has been a life saver. One user machine got hit with Ransonware and it was back up in an afternoon with only a half days data loss. 


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Jamesharris85 wrote:

Historically I have always been a fan of Datto. The seamless onsite / offsite backup and restore as well as booting up a backed-up server as a VM in the cloud have saved our bacon numerous times in the past. It also helps that the interface is easy to use, and the support isn't bad either (although it used to be much better).

My current company favours Altaro but like you, following my training on the Luminaries platform with Carbonite, I am keen to get a trial going and see what the fuss is all about. Unfortunately, I am currently based onsite covering for 2 of my team who have been struck with Covid and won’t get much of a chance until next week at the earliest I imagine. 

Our company use to use Altaro, but we have moved across to Acronis as our preferred backup software. 


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I’m old school. Been using Retrospect for decades because it covers Mac and Windows (and Linux) from the same backup server. Storage is kept off line and the server had a LAN limited firewall  setup as well. I gave up remote monitoring, but have an SSH terminal that gives me status. So far, it has been a life saver. One user machine got hit with Ransonware and it was back up in an afternoon with only a half days data loss. 

The ideal outcome! Well, the ideal outcome is not getting ransomware in the first place but if its gunna happen, being able to get them back up same day is glorious!


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Martin.1 wrote:
Jamesharris85 wrote:

Historically I have always been a fan of Datto. The seamless onsite / offsite backup and restore as well as booting up a backed-up server as a VM in the cloud have saved our bacon numerous times in the past. It also helps that the interface is easy to use, and the support isn't bad either (although it used to be much better).

My current company favours Altaro but like you, following my training on the Luminaries platform with Carbonite, I am keen to get a trial going and see what the fuss is all about. Unfortunately, I am currently based onsite covering for 2 of my team who have been struck with Covid and won’t get much of a chance until next week at the earliest I imagine. 

Our company use to use Altaro, but we have moved across to Acronis as our preferred backup software. 

Hahaha I’ve literally done the reverse. The company I came from were Acronis and where I work now are Altaro. 


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Datto and Carbonite, we also use Synology NAS and BackBlaze


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Synology, acronis and archiware solutions for us. Although again, looking at Carbonite now too.


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We use Veeam backup. We looked at Carbonite a while back but decided to go with Veeam because we had some issues getting Carbonite kicked off - this was in the very early stages of Open Text adopting carbonite. I honestly blame my client for most of the struggles, but it’s a long story.

We have an on-premise backup and push the backup to Wasabi.


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tmcmullen wrote:

We use Veeam backup. We looked at Carbonite a while back but decided to go with Veeam because we had some issues getting Carbonite kicked off - this was in the very early stages of Open Text adopting carbonite. I honestly blame my client for most of the struggles, but it’s a long story.

We have an on-premise backup and push the backup to Wasabi.

Interesting we have just started looking into Wasabi on the recommendation of one of our guys, what has your experience been like?


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Jamesharris85 wrote:
MajorHavoc wrote:

I’m old school. Been using Retrospect for decades because it covers Mac and Windows (and Linux) from the same backup server. Storage is kept off line and the server had a LAN limited firewall  setup as well. I gave up remote monitoring, but have an SSH terminal that gives me status. So far, it has been a life saver. One user machine got hit with Ransonware and it was back up in an afternoon with only a half days data loss. 

The ideal outcome! Well, the ideal outcome is not getting ransomware in the first place but if its gunna happen, being able to get them back up same day is glorious!

It is. I started using this software when the target backup was DLT tape! I was at Pacific Bell and we actually had an  “earthquake proof vault” with a large DLT robot library inside. Backup and recovery was much slower then, but hard drives were much smaller too. The media transitioned into over time, but Retrospect supported all kinds of target media including CD-RW, DVD-RW, and write only DVD and CD media. To multiple SSD arrays  (raid) now, the speed is limited only by the network speed. 


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Ahh. My previous company that I was at from 1995 to 2018 used retrospect. I remember all those media’s. I was the mug who had to take the daily backup tape/drive home everyday for an offsite backup. Good to hear retrospect is still going


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MajorHavoc wrote:
Jamesharris85 wrote:
MajorHavoc wrote:

I’m old school. Been using Retrospect for decades because it covers Mac and Windows (and Linux) from the same backup server. Storage is kept off line and the server had a LAN limited firewall  setup as well. I gave up remote monitoring, but have an SSH terminal that gives me status. So far, it has been a life saver. One user machine got hit with Ransonware and it was back up in an afternoon with only a half days data loss. 

The ideal outcome! Well, the ideal outcome is not getting ransomware in the first place but if its gunna happen, being able to get them back up same day is glorious!

It is. I started using this software when the target backup was DLT tape! I was at Pacific Bell and we actually had an  “earthquake proof vault” with a large DLT robot library inside. Backup and recovery was much slower then, but hard drives were much smaller too. The media transitioned into over time, but Retrospect supported all kinds of target media including CD-RW, DVD-RW, and write only DVD and CD media. To multiple SSD arrays  (raid) now, the speed is limited only by the network speed. 

This reminds me of my work experience with a large british airline. I was shown the servers / mainframes in this giant hall, i remember as a teenager freezing my a** off in there and being mesmerized watching the large robotic arms going up and down and around grabbing these giant tapes. Quite spectacular. Fairly sure all the kit was in a building right under the flight path though which seemed not the greatest of ideas 😂


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The advancement of technology is really amazing when you think of it. First “backups” or method I have ever used was to “floppy” not even stiffy drives . When we started off our journey, I have never in a million years have imagined how the technology has changed. Almost like the very first SMS send in the world, being as little ago as December 1992. I can now not even remember when last I have send a SMS. 


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Martin.1 wrote:

The advancement of technology is really amazing when you think of it. First “backups” or method I have ever used was to “floppy” not even stiffy drives . When we started off our journey, I have never in a million years have imagined how the technology has changed. Almost like the very first SMS send in the world, being as little ago as December 1992. I can now not even remember when last I have send a SMS. 

It is quite amazing. Every now and then I catch myself using Wi-Fi and am just amazed at how cool that is as a concept.


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AI is the next big thing on the technology scape I read today. Supposedly will have a bigger impact on the human race and our planet that the discovery of fire and speech….not really sure whether I buy into that or not but still pretty cool. I don’t know whether to be excited or terrified…

 

 


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Jamesharris85 wrote:

AI is the next big thing on the technology scape I read today. Supposedly will have a bigger impact on the human race and our planet that the discovery of fire and speech….not really sure whether I buy into that or not but still pretty cool. I don’t know whether to be excited or terrified…

 

 

Yes. It’s a tough one. I’m on the fence too about it. It could go either way I feel


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russell.harris wrote:

Synology, acronis and archiware solutions for us. Although again, looking at Carbonite now too.

Likewise, I need to get hands on deck with Carbonite to see what it can do etc. 


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Jamesharris85 wrote:

AI is the next big thing on the technology scape I read today. Supposedly will have a bigger impact on the human race and our planet that the discovery of fire and speech….not really sure whether I buy into that or not but still pretty cool. I don’t know whether to be excited or terrified…

 

 

AI I think is still a long way from being fully adopted. Just my opinion. as we all know here and seen as topics comes up with cyber attacks and breaches etc, there will as sure as daylight be vulnerabilities in the systems. Which in return….. well lets leave it there. Exciting yet scary at the same time 


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Martin.1 wrote:
russell.harris wrote:

Synology, acronis and archiware solutions for us. Although again, looking at Carbonite now too.

Likewise, I need to get hands on deck with Carbonite to see what it can do etc. 

Using carbonite on my test mac at present. Seems solid 


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Martin.1 wrote:
Jamesharris85 wrote:

AI is the next big thing on the technology scape I read today. Supposedly will have a bigger impact on the human race and our planet that the discovery of fire and speech….not really sure whether I buy into that or not but still pretty cool. I don’t know whether to be excited or terrified…

 

 

AI I think is still a long way from being fully adopted. Just my opinion. as we all know here and seen as topics comes up with cyber attacks and breaches etc, there will as sure as daylight be vulnerabilities in the systems. Which in return….. well lets leave it there. Exciting yet scary at the same time 

Yep. and too many films showing what bad things could happen with AI!!


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A lot of what sci-fi has created over the years has led to the innovation of a real life counter part 


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Jamesharris85 wrote:

A lot of what sci-fi has created over the years has led to the innovation of a real life counter part 

True. Works both ways. Fiction can spark a real life reality, but also can end up being the thing that people have in their heads to judge reality by


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Jamesharris85 wrote:

A lot of what sci-fi has created over the years has led to the innovation of a real life counter part 

OR, is it the other way around, these innovation was that already on the table, and made “sci-fi” so people can start getting use to the idea of having these kind of innovation in place, so once it is “introduced”, it is not with all that much of resentment and negativity as the seeds has already been planted, and germinated?