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By Nick Peers  Posted on 10/11/2014

 

Moonchild Productions has released a major update to its Firefox browser variant for Windows with the release of Pale Moon 25.0 and Pale Moon x64 25.0, which sees the browser drop support for Windows XP.

Version 25.0 sees the version number jump for the first time since the browser forked away from its Firefox parent due to major changes in the way the browser identifies itself.

Pale Moon 25.0 debuts a new browser GUID (Globally Unique IDentifier) to properly differentiate itself from Firefox, plus solve a number of what Moonchild terms as "development issues" that were holding the browser back. Unfortunately, the new GUID creates implications for a number of Firefox add-ons that hard-code the Firefox GUID into them, including AdBlock Plus.

 

 

betanews/ Article/ http://betanews.com/2014/10/11/pale-moon-25-0-released-moves-further-away-from-firefox-drops-windows-xp-support/
Pale Moon is a wonderful browser (default for me), and ever under devoted and progressive development.

 

This new release is a big step for Pale Moon, especially away from the Australis-esqe,  Firefox obsessive Rapid Release (a la Chrome) strategy. I wish them every Success.

 

Pale Moon currently has approx 500,000+ users worldwide, and I wouldn't be surprised to see deserved future growth.

 

Thanks for posting @    It would be great to have PM officially supported for WSA, but also Nic was kind to supply details of how to install the browser extension into Pale Moon....thanks Nic! 😃 https://community.webroot.com/t5/Webroot-SecureAnywhere-Complete/Unofficial-Webroot-filtering-extension-in-Palemoon-Unofficial/ta-p/142217

 

 
Your welcome Dermot7...Currently I'm using Google but not completely happy with it. What is your opinion

on Google??
@Antus67 wrote:

Your welcome Dermot7...Currently I'm using Google but not completely happy with it. What is your opinion

on Google??
I don't use Chrome.

I will give a full reply to your Google question if you like, but we'd probably be here from now till Christmas!! LOL!

 

Suffice to say that I have nothing from Google (to best of my knowledge, or if found secure-delete) on any of my main machines for some years past.

They are 'wolves' that often try to present themselves in 'sheep's clothing' to attract more.

 

Thanks,

 

Dermot

 

 
Fair enough, I think I'll give Pale Moon a try
@Antus67 wrote:

Fair enough, I think I'll give Pale Moon a try
You may need to manually add PM 25 to WSA's protected applications. And you may need to alter Pale Moon's 'monitored' status in WSA also. Check what you find after installation.

 

At present some extensions aren't fully compatible, and this is being worked on.

 

You might like to read a little about this also:

 

Known Incompatible Add-ons - Add-ons - Pale Moon

 

      Privacy & Security - Add-ons - Pale Moon
@ is it really that good? How about some of the other not well known Browsers? How about WaterFox are the Extensions compatible with it if you know?

 

TIA,

 

Daniel 😉
@ wrote:

@ is it really that good? How about some of the other not well known Browsers? How about WaterFox are the Extensions compatible with it if you know?

 

TIA,

 

Daniel ;)

Hi TH...You know what they say, 'the proof of the pudding is in the eating'. I'd surely recommend giving it a try, and see if you like it. I'd guess you might appreciate Pale Moon Commander also. Take a look:  http://www.palemoon.org/commander.shtml

 

x64 downloads: http://www.palemoon.org/palemoon-x64.shtml

Language packs: http://www.palemoon.org/langpacks.shtml

 

Sorry, but I have not much knowledge of Waterfox. I believe K-Meleon is a good browser also, but don't use it presently.

 

I nearly exclusively use Pale Moon, except for a few places where I prefer to use IE11.
I have been a long time Firefox user but the Latest version has been giving me so much grief with CPU usage and the Memory well that's another story!

 

Daniel

 

That's a lot of RAM usage you're seeing, even though I know you've probably got 8-16 gigs onboard, but still. And over time with a bit of memory leak, many tabs open etc. it can become noticable.

 

I don't know how FF 32 etc perform, as I've steered clear of the Australis interface, and other considerations also.

 

I do have FF ESR 24.8.1 installed, just for checking, testing etc. and that will become unsupported in a few days ahead.

 

Why not see how Pale Moon performs for you, For me it uses a bit less RAM than FF (but with more add-ons), and I don't see any CPU issues.

 

 http://www.palemoon.org/knownissues.shtml

 

   Known issues in 25.0:




  1. Subpixel rendering for fonts is sub-optimal in some elements
    Some elements of the browser (e.g. tooltips and some web page elements) use suboptimal font rendering. This is caused by a deep-rooted issue in the graphics rendering back-end that requires time to research.
    Effects are only aesthetic in nature and non-breaking.
    Status: [Research]
    Workaround: disable hardware acceleration
 

Cheers,

 

Dermot

 

 
It looks like it's a keeper for me! I see that the Webroot Extensions are not installed even after reboot so I would think a clean Reinstall of WSA will do the trick?

 

Thanks,

 

Daniel ;)

 



 

Looking good, but don't forget this:

Nic was kind to supply details of how to install the browser extension into Pale Moon....thanks Nic!

https:///t5/Webroot-SecureAnywhere-Complete/Unofficial-Webroot-filtering-extension-in-Palemoon-Unofficial/ta-p/142217

 

  https:///t5/Techie/Pale-Moon-25-0-released-moves-further-away-from-Firefox-drops/m-p/158301/highlight/true#M6177
Downloading a new browser which I'm going to try out. Its called Torch, has anyone have experience with this browser?? Here is their home page: http://support.torchbrowser.com/Core/Default/Index
@ wrote:

Looking good, but don't forget this:

Nic was kind to supply details of how to install the browser extension into Pale Moon....thanks Nic!

https://community.webroot.com/t5/Webroot-SecureAnywhere-Complete/Unofficial-Webroot-filtering-extens...

 

  https://community.webroot.com/t5/Techie/Pale-Moon-25-0-released-moves-further-away-from-Firefox-drops/m-p/158301/highlight/true#M6177

Thank Dermot @ trick did the job! Thanks Evan your trick works awesome!

 

Daniel 😃
@ wrote:

@ wrote:

Looking good, but don't forget this:

Nic was kind to supply details of how to install the browser extension into Pale Moon....thanks Nic!

https:///t5/Webroot-SecureAnywhere-Complete/Unofficial-Webroot-filtering-extension-in-Palemoon-Unofficial/ta-p/142217

 

  https:///t5/Techie/Pale-Moon-25-0-released-moves-further-away-from-Firefox-drops/m-p/158301/highlight/true#M6177

Thank Dermot @ trick did the job! Thanks Evan your trick works awesome!

 

Daniel :D

Thanks Daniel :D  I'll be very interested to hear your opinions or observations on Pale Moon...let us know if you see anything unusual, good or bad, please.

 

Cheers Buddy

It's awesome it feels like an older version of Firefox and a few of my Extensions don't work but I can live without them! Also since this is a new version it has many [u] files and under Identity Shield it was set under Block and set it to Protect and the WSA Tray Icon has the Padlock on it and as well the search annotations! I will contact Support to get the files Whitelisted ASAP!

 

Thanks Again!

 

Daniel 😃
Thanks TH, I have only one add-on that is non-functional (Privacy Badger), otherwise I've been quite lucky with compatibility.

 

They're working hard to get things sorted, but with such a divergence of paths now, away from Firefox, it may take a little while before things fully settle.

 
I got Ad Block Edge from Pale moon's forum as I like it better than AdBlock Plus! ColorfulTabs, FlagFox and Download Status Bar all work from Firefox add-on site!

 

Daniel :D

 

@  Yes they don't seem to have a Mac version. They have Linux version, maybe they'll get round to OSX, or maybe they don't want to. I'm trying to find info on their forum, but nothing so far.

 

edit: found this for a 24.7.1 build: http://relmirror.palemoon.org/release/palemoon-24.7.1.mac64.dmg

 

reference: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=5304&p=35550&hilit=Apple&sid=ee03384be9b2d4fe293baf71c08c821f#p35550

 

Dermot

 
@ wrote:

@  Yes they don't seem to have a Mac version. They have Linux version, maybe they'll get round to OSX, or maybe they don't want to. I'm trying to find info on their forum, but nothing so far.

 

Dermot

 

Hi Dermot!

 

Palemoon Forum say that they are still in the Before Pale Moon for Mac is release-ready as an official publish, a few things still need to be addressed. Anyone with Mac build knowledge aside from the maintainer (cyansmoker) is welcome to contribute.




  • Check if Mac builds complete. LibVPX was updated for v25 and compilation needs to be checked. If the build is bust, this needs to be fixed. Matt A. Tobin has been in charge of mangling the mozbuild system to make this lib build on the Pale Moon tree, so if there are issues with building, contact him and work out a patch.
  • Mac theming needs to be worked on to bring it in line with the Windows and Linux versions of Pale Moon
  • Mac packaging needs to be worked on to pull in the status bar code as part of packaging. It's currently missing from packaged versions.
    In the interim, maybe it's easier to make an .app bundle with everything properly included?
  • The Mac OSX version of Pale Moon is still very much in development. Your assistance in bringing this build to fruition is greatly appreciated, but you can expect there to be bugs and problems for a while yet!
 

So I'll be waiting till the bugs are worked out! I'm using FF for now!

 

Thanks for responding!
@ wrote:

@  Yes they don't seem to have a Mac version. They have Linux version, maybe they'll get round to OSX, or maybe they don't want to. I'm trying to find info on their forum, but nothing so far.

 

edit: found this for a 24.7.1 build: http://relmirror.palemoon.org/release/palemoon-24.7.1.mac64.dmg

 

reference: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=5304&p=35550&hilit=Apple&sid=ee03384be9b2d4fe293baf71c08c821f#p35550

 

Dermot

 

Hi Dermot

 

I got a 404 not found with the first link..

 

But Thanks so much for the references.:D
@ wrote:

@ wrote:

@  Yes they don't seem to have a Mac version. They have Linux version, maybe they'll get round to OSX, or maybe they don't want to. I'm trying to find info on their forum, but nothing so far.

 

edit: found this for a 24.7.1 build: http://relmirror.palemoon.org/release/palemoon-24.7.1.mac64.dmg

 

reference: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=5304&p=35550&hilit=Apple&sid=ee03384be9b2d4fe293baf71c08c821f#p35550

 

Dermot

 

Hi Dermot

 

I got a 404 not found with the first link..

 

But Thanks so much for the references.:D

Didn't realise link was now dead...oh well we tried, thanks.
Interesting thread on what browser works best for you. Now I've tried Pale Moon did not like it was not comfortable with it. I went back to Firefox...............CPU usage was high and the web pages did not open as fast as I wanted it to.........................so I finally went back to Google Chrome and love it...........................the browser does what I needed and the web pages load fast...so with that said it all boils down what you like not what you hear on the hype about any given browser. 
There is an early update for Pale Moon, which should improve extensions' compatibility (among other improvements).

 

 http://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml    

25.0.1 (2014-10-15)

This is a small update to address an important Jetpack extension compatibility issue and includes a number of security fixes.


  • Update of the add-on SDK to add missing "Pale Moon" engine entries to lists. This should fix extension compatibility issues for jetpack extensions that otherwise already work with the new GUID.
  • About box release notes link corrected
  • Fix for VP9 decoder vulnerability security fix
  • Fix for direct access to raw connection sockets in http security fix
  • Fix for unsafe conversion to JSON of data through the alarm dom element security fix
  • Update of NSS to 3.16.2.2-RTM security fix
Awesome I love this Browser and now Firefox is off of my system! Thanks @ :D

 

Daniel 😉
@ wrote:

Awesome I love this Browser and now Firefox is off of my system! Thanks @ :D

 

Daniel ;)

Im on the point of uninstalling the FF ESR version, and was only keeping it to cross-check e.g. examples of things observed by FF/WSA combo and PM/WSA combo, but can see no compelling reason to have Firefox anymore, even though also they are now 2 very seperate Browser Projects.

 

Glad to hear it's working well for you Daniel 😃, and wondering did you add PM Commander (?), which can come in handy for advanced users.

If ever you do encounter any conflicts or issues, then they're always working hard to make fixes, and support the users, as can be seen at  Pale Moon forum • Index page

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